I'm not an expert by any stretch, I only intend to use this for Elite Dangerous. The thing that really sold me on it is that the hat switches and mini sticks on the the top are completely modular, so you can literally just drop whichever one you like to suit your purposes without having to take apart the stick. Got a Virpil throttle but I can only program about half the hats, axis', and buttons because of ED limiting us to 32 "buttons" per device. Money isn't really an issue for me. Ultimately, it's likely either VKB or Vipril gear will work great for you and you'll be more than happy with either. Vectors which had previously been relegated to the keyboard or tiny hat switches were now integrated into the joysticks themselves. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. They have adopted the Thrustmaster Warthog connector and improved it while staying backwards compatible. It's easy! So, just to make sure I have this strait, MCG is the 'Modern Combat' Gunfighter stick and the Kosmosima is the 'Space Combat' edition of the gunfighter? I found a couple of programs like this but some of them are no longer operational or are too limited to map more than 32 buttons themselves. I would think it should be enough. What little product is actually available even used equipment is going for wildly inflated prices. Either way, in terms of quality and build at least it seems like a toss up. I received it in just over 4 weeks too, just a day before Christmas! VirPil make easy use Tm Warthog (or Cougar) grip in their bases, since use the same connection nut and grip electronics. - VKB gunfighter base vs Virpils bases: VKB has a dry clutch. All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. Starting to wonder about the all-metal construction with that new ultimate grip, and maybe investing in a heavier duty base. They needed a bolt tightening inside to get rid of the wobble. Did you a manage to get your bindings for Elite dangerous ? Its unique to you. Ive been taking it for a test drive on my custom-built flight rig. Overall, I'd recommend VKB for quality and performance. This unique state of art device is already out of "development" phase, and is currently entering "preparation for serial production". All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. Take my advice - before starting, enter into the map all the switch and button numbers from the Virpil test program because when you look in the ED keybindings, that's what will show. How easy was the software to learn? That means you can easily arrange for a much more complex dual-stick set-up. No rush though, as we all know its not a quick in out game. That's it. i use a steam controller and nothing else mostly unless i need a hotkey for certain things on the keyboard. The VKB software also allows an enormous amount of customization like a shift key action to double up on everything or (what I find sufficient) a 'tempo' function so a quick tap vs. a longer press has 2 different operations for buttons or certain hat positions. Your right, MFG's have been on the market longer than the Virpil Ace's, but I couldn't identify a lot of difference, except maybe some of the adjustments you can make on the MFG's that you can't make on the Virpil pedals. For more information, please see our 3 - anyone with theses setups i am conimg from a logitech x56 how to they compare in terms of build quality and feel? The only other thing up in the same price and perhaps build quality (I don't truly know about them either other than what I've read here, they're trying at least) is Winwing but their stick option is much more limited in overall controls. Also known as a hand-on-stick-and-stick (HOSAS) setup, I found that it completely changed the flight experience in both Star Citizens Persistent Universe and Elite Dangerous. I intend to do mostly spaceflight sims with the stick(s). The scissors gimbal is not very pleasant around center. You might want to look for something with versatility since a lot of REALLY nice sticks try to fit specific requirements, like DCS OR ELITE rather than DCS AND ELITE. But it might give you some ideas regarding quantity of controls being 'enough'. If you fly helos, you will fall in love with this. Vs the VKB Gunfighter MK3 with the modern combat edition grip and 200mm s curve extension for 433.13 euro ($707.21 aud) (includes shipping). I also built a button box arrangement into my chair power controls (seat adjust, subwoofer, surround shoulder speakers, cooling) and find I almost never let go of the sticks to USE the button box. ED doesn't 'see' any controllers using the bindings files, check whether you can actuallly bind any of the controls to an action and then create your own bindings file. By choosing I Accept, you consent to our use of cookies and other tracking technologies. A lot cheaper and for someone that isn't hardcore into tons of flying will be more than sufficient. I would not have thought there were no set binds for those devices, and its up to your personal preference to programme in. First post here. They are both superb bits of kit though and you will not regret buying either. Logitech, Thrustmaster, and many of the big name manufacturers are out of stock everywhere you look. That's weird because normally a USB 3 controller can supposedly support up to 127 devices. My x55 stick looks like it's reached the end of it's life and I'm looking for a new stick first then we'll see. Even basic assembly drove me out to YouTube where I spent hours freeze-framing foreign language unboxing videos to find out which screw goes where. VIRPIL hardware - key mapping setups (PDF) for you to fill out I think that there's a good chance that the Gunfighter + mcg ultimate will take the spot as best consumer joystick on the market. Warthog grip and you are good to go. VKB complicate unnecessary the things, because being a "Apple" require a additional electronic/mechanic adapter ($60), but their Gunfigther Mk.II* base wasoptimized for deal withWarthoggrip weight. Is anyone using Vjoy or a simiar program(s) to solve this problem? Note that youll need two of the Desk Mount V3-S devices for a HOSAS solution using the Virpil Constellation sticks, which brings the price of accessories up to $140. Both multiple cam and spring force options. Virpil has the better engineers. Both can be gotten with twist. > Pictures Using a Virpil HOTAS in Elite Dangerous Ken Cikas 1.25K subscribers Subscribe 61 Share 7.4K views 2 years ago Finally got around to editing this down. I know that the performance will be better but if you have done a similar upgrade let me know your thoughts. Virpil's compression springs in the Mongoos are nice, but the WarBRD doesn't use them. Plus half of what I would need from VKB is out of stock. The VKB base has some nice features the Virpil base doesn't have (dampers) and overall just rates a bit higher in terms of quality/performance. You would basically map your joysticks inputs past 32 to a virtual vjoy device then you are all set. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I play 98% Elite Dangerous and 2% DCS and MSFS. VKB complicate unnecessary the things, because being a "Apple" require a . The impact was especially prominent in Star Citizen, which has much faster ships and far more aggressive combat. HOSAS made me a harder target to hit, and helped to improve my own aim especially with fixed weapons. Or I can get the Virpil one and have a 2 stick approach which will let me actually assess a proper preference. I currently have a T.16kM HOTAS setup and am looking to upgrade the flightstick first and eventually move over to a HOSAS setup. But that being said, if you're focusing on space games, I'm leaning towards thinking you'll prefer the gunfighter + kosmosima or virpils constellation. Better still, the Constellations side-mounted thumbsticks mean that you can actually navigate on foot without ever taking your hands off the joysticks. Yes I followrd their guide. Still other manufacturers are taking pre-orders, and then banging out new units as quickly as they can. I have a Virpil setup. It has about twice as many buttons as Microsoft Windows recognizes on a game controller, which means youll need to take some extra time to get it tuned before you hop into a game. 03.03.20|The sheets for the ALPHA-grips have been updated (the dual-push for the scroll encoder has been added and there was a problem with duplicating entries). As I said before I dont think you can go wrong either way though. I have the twist adapter for the original MCG and while the twist itself is great, the ergonomics of the MCG grip are not the best for twisting (as it was never really designed for that). I have both and for me the VKB just wins out. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. Swapping out the throttle for another stick meant that I had to constantly hold the left-hand stick forward to maintain forward thrust. 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Problem isn't your Virpil, Elite Dangerous cannot use past 32 buttons on a device. Not sure where you're concerned about 'number of buttons' available with VKB though. My own conclusion was that VKB is around 10% cheaper and 99% as good as Virpil. If youre playing a more hardcore flight simulator, like something from the DCS World portfolio, you probably already know about VKB. It has plenty of hat switches, plus an assortment of triggers that are perfect for games in the IL-2 Sturmovik family or other high-end simulations. If youre stuck on Microsoft Flight Simulator especially the big commercial airliners give Honeycomb Aeronautical a try. Please check your email to find a confirmation email, and follow the steps to confirm your humanity. Have a look through the Virpil forums. So vkb is not the first/only. They strike a good balance between price point and feature set, sitting comfortably in between classics like the Logitech X-52 and the Thrustmaster T16000, and higher end products from Thrustmaster and VKB. Also, I did notice some defective materials in the batch of products that I received. My favorite set of kit is called the Virpil Constellation Alpha, which, when coupled with a throttle, does an admirable job of controlling commercial aircraft. And, just like everyone else, Virpils stuff is on backorder as well. My VKB Controls My Universe Gladiator NXT Joysticks Shop our Gladiator NXT EVO Series of Joysticks Gladiator NXT EVO 'Space Combat Edition' - Left Hand From $135.00 USD Gladiator NXT EVO 'Space Combat Edition' - Right Hand From $135.00 USD Gladiator NXT EVO Omni Throttle - Left Hand $175.00 USD Gladiator NXT EVO Omni Throttle - Right Hand Here's my mapping for Elite, perhaps a little out of date re: some of the macros I mentioned above, and admittedly I use my LH stick weird (sideways oriented as a throttle) so I've converted an axis to 'relative' mode with a button as reset, which removes it from use as a button in-game. Nice descriptions. All rights reserved, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS3OC6-CBv4. I'd pass on the NXT if your budget allows for something with cams. 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Toe in and out being the most prominent I can see. I do find VKB to do much nicer and cleaner internal work which matters if or when you have to open up your grip. WarBRD with more throw has some difficulties for center this heavy grip. The only things I don't have as mapped out as I'd ideally like for VR are camera and perhaps fighter pilot commands. I will be using the TM Warthog grip with a stickextension, so if anyone happens to run a similar setup on either the VKB or Virpil yourthoughts will be greatly appreciated. It functions great and feels great. The right-hand stick still has complete control of pitch and yaw, while rudder pedals handle roll. Can't speak for Virpil as I've got VKB, so disclosure, obviously this is possibly biased opinion. I also had several screw heads shatter as I attempted to remove them, either due to being made from weak metal or being gummed up with too much thread locking paste. And just last night the plastic peg for one of the hat switches snapped. (e.g. They also have just the right amount of heft to them, and feel like a substantial upgrade to the kinds of flight sticks Ive been using for the last decade. You must log in or register to reply here. This is significant. All rights reserved. Both are great sticks, I have both of them and use extensions with them - however I have not tried using the Warthog grip as I am happy with their grips. Virpil is a more competitive option if you want to use TM grips out of the box (but you could just buy a VKB adapter and do the same or a WinWing base). Elite will not show a profile that specifically names the Virpil hardware. You can watch some youtube teardowns and see that VKB pays attention to the internals in a really impressive way. So far Im extremely impressed. Anyone use Vjoy or similar to get past ED's 32 button limit? I've spent the last couple of days researching all this so here is my thought process which may also help with your decision. Ace pedals also have a much better mounting solution, in my opinion, compared to the TPR pedals. If so, how and what programs? Im looking at either going the virpil mongoos T-50 CM2 base with the mongoos T-50 CM2 grip or constellation alpha grip with the 200mm S curve extension for 554.81 euro (905.89 aud) (includes shipping). I definitely have more than 38 inputs on my x55. Hey everyone, i know this has been a few times but i cant find anything that the exact specs im looking at so im going to ask anyway. What 'limit' are you talking about? Another highlight for me were Virpils Ace Interceptor Rudder Pedals. I haven't checked Virpil in a while but didn't think anything had more than the MCG Pro, with the hat over on the index finger position as well as on the thumbrest. The MCG Pro also has the brake axis and technically the flip-up trigger is ALSO an axis although more often used as a couple of different buttons. It works perfectly with all buttons. Right? You basically have the exact situation as me, except that I am using detachable desktop mounts to put the stick and throttle at a better hight for my arms, which I can then move them out of the way after play, like you had to. You'll see I haven't even mapped the 2nd choice analog features of the top MCG hat on the right hand, ran out of needalso have some repeats left and right in case I get confused in heat of moment. While the input devices alone are excellent, Virpil also has a line of surprisingly affordable custom mounting solutions. Good news for fans of Microsoft Flight Simulator, Elite Dangerous, and Star Citizen. Currently have a CM2 grip/CM2 base with a T-50 v3 throttle and ACE-2 peddles for flight sims, as well as a Alpha-R primary with an Alpha-L/WarBRD for offhand in space. Powered by Invision Community, 2012-2022 1C Game Studios | 1-777 Limited, 32 Kritis Street, Papachristoforou Building, 4th Floor, 3087 Limassol, Cyprus. I have an in-depth write up here. Thanks, Ill take your advise. Where as the constellation/kosmosima grips where designed with twisting in mind. Choosing a selection results in a full page refresh. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America). It may take time. To learn more or opt-out, read our Cookie Policy. Something went wrong. Both of my Virpil bases had slack in the X axis at centre out of the box. JavaScript is disabled. For using the Warthog grip, the easier to work with would be the Virpil base, as it uses the same pinout/connections. Maybe you should try moving some to other ports on your computer if you haven't tried that yet. The V3-S also opens the door to additional customization options, including mounts that hang a keyboard, mouse pad, additional button boxes, and more all off of the same clamp. A good USB powered hub should help with this. Virpil also may be a little easier to get your hands on sooner rather than later. If I had to choose one it would be an Alpha L or R whichever was needed, and as a pair Virpil arguably makes the best HOSAS you can get. I could hit the gas on the main thruster to accelerate forward, rotate my ship in place, then roll left while also moving slightly down and sliding to the right all at the same time. Try contacting vkb about the broken parts, depending on how old your stick is, I've seen people post on here that they just sent them a bunch of parts to repair failed items. Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn34PHd34x4, Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8odaH98Yms. Me personally I plan to upgrade to mcg ultimate with the gf mkIII base from vkb, when they come out for people who dont already have gf base in February. Question on the VKB customization software? I will look for that in VPC config software. What do you mean by splitting axes? The VKB base has some nice features the Virpil base doesn't have (dampers) and overall just rates a bit higher in terms of quality/performance. See our ethics statement. I plan on positing a review of the mcg ultimate once I receive it (should be getting it later this week hopefully) if you're curious. Press J to jump to the feed. I just received my left handed Virpil Alpha and its one of the best gaming peripherals Ive ever had. Both the MCG (right hand only) grip and Kosmosima Premium (left or right) have plenty. Thank you for all the suggestions. Very close to the real thing (comparing it to C-130J and A400M controls). But now Im able to use the two sticks twist axes to handle strafing (right) and moving up and down (left). You can blame Microsoft Flight Simulator for the flight stick shortage were experiencing. Was looking at getting a new one but decided I might as well upgrade to either the VKB Gunfighter or Virpril T50 and would love some advice and opinions on both setups. I'm in a similar boat to you. Thank you guys for the help. Has a learning curve for sure, but I wholly recommend Virpil. Unfortunately, they're a way down the list now. I read somewhere that you need the virpil software to tell the OS that it's 2 different inputs. Edit: Didn't realize that winwing sticks were metal. Virpil has its own configuration and testing. Please note you will lose the axis on the brake lever that comes with the Virpil grip, as the Warthog grip only supports button press on that lever. HOTAS (hands on throttle and sticks) Gladiator is out of stock in Europe, Virpil say there is a back order on their stuff. Ok yes the firmware and software was installed. However, worse was that ED (and Il-2 and DCS) now do not recognize any of the axes on the throttle. My advice, of course, is to give the scalpers a wide berth. The game to get one is better than playing ED. You are using an out of date browser. Right now my mind is still on a throttle rather than 2 sticks and I'm looking at either the Virpil MongoosT or the VKB one that is allegedly coming in a couple of months. Privacy Policy. If you use the Virpil software there's an option somewhere to divide number of controls into groups of 32. So just swap grips and flash firmware for the. Somebody has also made some printable maps so that you can record what and where you have settings. Oops. I do play in VR pretty often, so the numerous buttons at my fingertips on the Virpil stick apeals to me. I saw Vjoy mentioned as a solution but it seems to be half of the solution because it seems to require another program to virtually map the physical device (in this case a throttle). But, by pulling back on that stick I had easy access to reverse thrust, which makes slowing down and changing directions in space a lot snappier. If that checks out, Elite should see all the analog axes and some of the buttons. Still, you cant really go wrong with either choice. It features a dead-simple clamp with an adjustable bite, which you can dial in to firmly grasp the edge of your desk surface and hold fast. Got a Virpil throttle but I can only program about half the hats, axis', and buttons because of ED limiting us to 32 "buttons" per device. I have a VKB stick/pedals and a Virpil throttle, and I feel that VKB hardware is higher quality overall (mostly due to the electronics/internals). By Perhaps toe break tension as well. If youre going HOTAS, Id recommend getting something from Thrustmaster instead. It would be wrong to say that TECS "worthily follows the line of VKB engineering tradition . There are some there. Overall, Im smitten with these Virpil controls. People use keyboard to play E:D. Keyboards have more than 32 buttons.. my x56 throttle alone has more than 32 buttons, all bound to ed controls :). > Tutorials and everything HOTAS related. Also, I'm not dead set on those two options by any means. Youll find examples from both brands where people got shipped a dud product or had a bad experience with customer service, but on the whole theyre both producing excellent hardware and its gonna come down to personal preference for the most part. in Elite I set one hat to move pips to weaps / sys / eng, 4th position being the 'reset', but I can also long press in the 'weap' direction to activate a macro that 'resets' and quickly bumps to my preferred overall 'fighting' weap-sys distribution, or same thing in the 'engine' direction quickly gets me to run-away distribution. How convert Warthog grip for VKB standard:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS3OC6-CBv4. Looks like the Virpil devices need more power that I have available. I dont care about cost or desk mounting height or which is the better company or customer service . 2 - is virpil worth the extra $200+ more and a very long wait. 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